Update on Traffic Regulation Orders around Stadium

Some HorfieldROSE members recently met with the residents who would be most affected by the initial TROs being proposed for our area, and invited their feedback to take to our meeting with Alan Berridge, Senior Area Engineer for the Traffic Client Team on 8-05-09.

These notes cover the main points from this meeting:
The Council’s remit is to safety and to keep traffic moving.

These initial, proposed TROs are to protect junctions and corners, are considered long overdue and will be followed by similar throughout Horfield and Bishopston, regardless of any further building developments. Junction layouts (Wessex Avenue & Gloucester Rd was mentioned) may also be looked at the same time as possible waiting restrictions. It is hoped that these initial orders will be in place for August.

Parking services will be responsible for enforcement and rigorous enforcement is expected together with a parking hotline.

A Result!! -

• Following residents feedback we are told that Downend Pk will have their turning space restored and the double yellow lines at the entrance to the road will be trimmed back.
• Bedford Crescent cannot be included retrospectively so application for protection to their corners will be applied for with the next proposals.
• Consideration will be given to the churches – perhaps ‘setting down’ places; hopefully this will used sensibly. Disabled are allowed to park on double yellow lines anyway.
• The police have requested further Match Day restrictions as they are responsible for crowd control and Anti Terrorism measures which they must apply to venues.
• In view of this new signs have been designed and are awaiting approval from the Dept. for Transport. Downend Road from Strathmore to Muller Roads and Filton Ave (in front of the Stadium) will be immediately affected by these, but of course there will be a ‘knock on’ effect for other residents.
• When these are approved we understand Mr Berridge will arrange an open consultation meeting with residents; hopefully this might be in June.

We were very heartened to hear that consideration is being given to the whole area, as the planning permission given for The Stadium Development, Southmead Hospital, Dorian Road and the Cricket Ground will all impact on the traffic and parking issues we have.

If permission is given for the phased build then there will be a further ‘Temporary Traffic Plan’. This is likely to cause major inconvenience to residents.

The Traffic Team can only work with the information they are given and are finding difficulty in getting answers to help their decision making. This is making it a ‘bit by bit’ process. There is a determination, however, to resolve the problems as they receive so many letters!

There appear to be no firm plans, yet, from the Stadium Developers as to how they will help the traffic and parking issues, in fact the reverse seems to be happening as the proposed ‘phased build’ takes away on-site parking and now makes no provision for the ‘disabled’ or ‘visiting fans’ coaches.

We would like to ‘Thank’ everyone for their views and letters – we do feel they were all taken into account and believe it is well worth while continuing to monitor the parking and traffic situations and giving feedback which can be passed to the Traffic Client Team.

Size Does Matter

We have said it before and we are saying it again, the stadium and associated commercial developments are too big for the Memorial Ground site. It appears Rovers' stadium company are also realising that they may have squeezed in too much for their own good.

The image above (click it to see a larger version) is a plan view of the stadium site and surrounding area. The neighbouring properties have been shaded green, the perimeter road is blue and the stadium building itself is shown in red. This shows pretty clearly that there is very little space left on the site outside the building itself.

What this does not show are the vertical differences. The stadium will be enclosed on all four sides by seven story high student accommodation with hundreds of windows looking out over the neighbouring properties. In the above image, houses to the right of the stadium are already on lower ground so their rooftops are at about the same level as the ground within the stadium site.

The promise to make the small area of land in the south west corner (shown in yellow) into an amenity ground for the homes along Alton Rd, Downend Rd and Strathmore Rd was one of the things in the proposed development that was to compensate those resident for the loss of privacy and daylight that the stadium would cause. This is one of the things that helped to tip the balance when the planning application was being decided.

No Room to Work

There was little enough space on the site to conduct the build anyway, but a phased build, while matches are still played at the ground, borders on insanity.

It appears the stadium company have realised they simply do not have the necessary space to do this and this is why they want to raise the level of this "amenity land" which is currently on the same level as the houses up four or five meters to the level of the pitch. This will allow the construction site to extend outside of the existing site boundaries.

The fact that the construction will close off half the site to the public means that at least one of the three public entrances will be for construction use only. To compensate the stadium company expect to open up the Alton Rd emergency exit as a public entrance. Something that has been explicitly forbidden for many years.

No Room to Turn Around

But even once the stadium, student accommodation, hotel, shop, offices and restaurant/conference centre are built, the lack of space will continue to be a problem both for the operation of the facility and for the surrounding homes.

The perimeter road (shown in blue) will be one way only with all vehicles entering at the top left and having to go clockwise around the building and then exit at the top left. This includes large vehicles like coaches, refuse lorries, delivery lorries and emergency vehicles such as ambulances and fire engines.

The developer has to do computer modelling (called swept paths) to demonstrate that these larger vehicles can actually negotiate the four corners of the stadium. There are a number of places or "pinch points" where turning is very "tight" and only just permits the vehicles to make it round.

The white spaces (such as they are) around the perimeter road are parking spaces. It does not take much imagination to realise that one or two badly parked cars could spell chaos by blocking all vehicles on site, and could present an actual hazard should emergency vehicles need to get around the building.

No Space for Waste

With 550 students, possibly over 100 hotel guests, workers in the offices and other facilities in the complex, a lot of rubbish will be generated. As part of the process of "discharging conditions" set out by the planning permission, the stadium company have to explain to the council how they will manage various things on the site including waste disposal. The report they submitted shows:

• It is likely waste collection will be required on a daily basis due to the amount of waste being generated by all the enabling developments.


• Due to the volume of waste being generated Eurobins, small compactors and skips are proposed to ensure adequate waste storage, especially for recyclable waste.


• Many of the Eurobins will be located close to the perimeter fence.


• A number of parking bays will have to be used to ‘park’ the Eurobins, thus reducing yet again the limited number of parking spaces.

The management of waste will cause noise as it is deposited (often late) and collected (often early) and since it will be kept near the edge of the site lead to unpleasant smells drifting into the neighbouring gardens.

There are also two internal stores for waste and they are to be located (according to the document) at the South East and South west corners of the development. The document recognises that waste removal lorries will potentially have difficulty manoeuvring and recommends that some of the car parking spaces be kept vacant over night to ensure the waste can be collected.

Truly, this site is not big enough to accommodate all of the uses that the stadium company intend to put it to. This madness is now beginning to show as they move from "back of fag packet" plans and face the realities of making it work. And as ever when they need more of anything it is the residents who end up suffering the consequences.

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Why Rovers Clearing Land Is Not Acceptable

The Evening Post published an article about the felling of trees in the area behind the south stand of the Memorial Ground on May bank holiday Monday.  It is hard to decide if it was a good thing that it was published on a low circulation day or not as it is important to get coverage, but the article misrepresented the issues that it was more misleading than informative.

Clearing trees on a property is not illegal.  However, the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 makes it a criminal offence to damage or kill nesting birds, their nests or eggs, of species which are listed in schedule 1 part 1 of the act. This is why tree felling is not normally carried out at this time of year and when it is, should be done after clearance is given by an ecologist.

But more significantly, this is not just a piece of private land.  It is land that has an approved planning application which sets out conditions in a legally binding contract.  If the developer, Rovers, does not abide by the terms of the contract they are liable to penalties or in the extreme the cancellation of of the permission contract.

Because it was accepted that the development of the larger stadium, hotel, student accommodation, shop, offices, restaurant and conference centre on the site would have a large and detrimental impact on the amenity of neighbouring properties, a number of conditions were imposed to mitigate or reduce these impacts.  

One of the critical features of this mitigation is the treatment of the boundaries between the building site and the residential properties that surround it.  As noted in our previous post section 8 of the conditions specifically require an inventory of existing trees to be made:

"The development hereby permitted shall not take place until there has been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority a scheme of hard and soft landscaping, which shall include indications of all existing trees and hedgerows on the land, and details of any to be retained, together with measures for their protection, in the course of development. [etc]"

Clearing the land before an inventory was made and before the proposals for landscaping have been approved by the council is certainly a violation of the spirit of the agreement and possibly a violation of the letter of the agreement.

The underlying problem is that the permission was granted on a fine balance between local loss of amenity and the "greater good".  Councillors on the DCC (Development Control Committee i.e. planning committee) acknowledged this trade off and how closely balanced it was at the January 2007 meeting when permission was first granted.  

Then in the April 2008 DCC meeting for the revised application which had even greater impacts (taller trusses, more floors on hotel tower etc) and actually offered less public good (reduced learning centre and crèche size, etc) the councillors again acknowledged their concerns about this worsening trade off but allowed the revised application to be approved because Bryan Cadman (Area Planning Service Manager North and West Area Planning Team) had advised them that refusing it could open the council to considerable legal costs.

The whole application process has been ratcheted in favour of the developer who continually asks for a little bit more and then a little bit more and a little bit more.  Although it may seem petty to refuse a small increment, collectively they are becoming more and more extreme and overbearing. 

The council have still not accepted the proposed phased development of the stadium and associated commercial properties, as the wording of the original permission was specifically geared to a single phase build on a site that was not being used for sporting events during the build.  

Phased build has further detrimental impacts on the local area including longer build time and associated noise and pollution, building disruption during the week, match noise on weekends, and no parking facilities on site during the build putting further strain on local roads and parking during events while construction takes place. And measures to reduce impact such as the RPZ (Residents' Parking Zone) and the Park and Ride facilities would not be in force during the build.

The land behind the south stand is also of importance to the phased build.  Because the site is so small and constrained and because the new buildings will take up nearly all of the land leaving only a perimeter road between the building and the surrounding back gardens, the phased build intends to use this land to the south as part of the construction site.  But in order to use it this way it has to be raised four or five meters to match the level of the pitch.

And here Rovers have a problem, because this was not part of the application that was approved.    The approved plans include drawings clearly showing that this land to the south will be left at its current level.  The S106 agreement stipulates that the neighbouring properties will have access to this "amenity land" which would not be possible (without climbing and abseiling skills) when the land meets their gardens as a four meter high wall.  

And the Design and Access Statement (part of the planning application provided by Rovers which explains what the council is giving them permission to build) also confirmed that the “area to the south west bordering Downend Road and Strathmore Road which is currently overgrown will be thinned out to allow the better trees to flourish and additional and appropriate trees and shrubs added to create a natural area which will require little maintenance.” 

The fact that Rovers are clearly trying to push for more than they have already been given and that once again it is the residents who lose while Rovers gain that is the cause for concern.

Yet another new imposition that comes from the phased build is to use the Alton Road emergency exit as a full public entrance during the build.  All through the planning process (and for many years during previous applications) this exit has been confirmed and reconfirmed as an emergency exit and not as a public access.  This simply cannot be used as a full public access without a new planning application.  That's not a request that is the law.